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Geschrieben von: RAD23 (Usernummer # 9168) an :

http://www.thetop100djs.com

New site, new ranking..No polls, just hard facts.

Peace

The Top 100 djs

Geschrieben von: Omara (Usernummer # 11269) an :

die sektion liveacts ist auch interesant.

Geschrieben von: Tiefenrausch (Usernummer # 13868) an :

Wer ist denn bitteschön Hernan Cattaneo oder Gigi D`agostino? Und vor allen Dingen was sucht ein Grooverider vor Carl Cox?!

Geschrieben von: Omara (Usernummer # 11269) an :

ich vermiss da irgenwie dj bobo und dj ötzi auf der liste [smilesmile]

Geschrieben von: oelli (Usernummer # 12789) an :

lol und benni benassi vor dj hell. Schwachsinns-Website.

Geschrieben von: funkyandy (Usernummer # 1493) an :

Zitat:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von: Tiefenrausch:
Und vor allen Dingen was sucht ein Grooverider vor Carl Cox?!

nur weil du vielleicht nicht in der drum'n'bass szene involviert bist oder dich der style weniger interessiert als techno muss doch im ranking nicht automatisch ein bummbumm-dj vor nem bummtschak-dj stehen, oder? *g*

Grooverider ist defintiv einer der, wenn nicht DER, bigname der trommel und bass szene!

Geschrieben von: minimalniemand (Usernummer # 3401) an :

Das Ranking wird, wenn ich das richtig verstanden hab anhand der Besuche der jeweiligen Dj-Website erstellt. Ein Dj mit vielen Gimmicks auf der Website, vielleicht runterladbare Tracks o.ä. wird also sicher mehr klics bekommen, als einer, der nur auf der Website stehen hat, wie er heisst, wie er aussieht und wann er wo auflegt

Geschrieben von: RAD23 (Usernummer # 9168) an :

You will have to excuse me, I don`t speak German.

The ranking is based on accumulated unique visits to a djs website..The results are drawn from over 20,000,000 people in a variety of countries over a three month period..

Gimmicks may work for a short period, but for a DJ to be successful he has to retain that traffic. Putting up a free mix may get him a few extra visits, however, this won`t improve his ranking over the long term.

We have further defined it by breaking it into Genres, so for example, the techno ranking is pretty accurate. We cannot exclude a dj because we don`t like their music (otherwise Benny Benassi wouldn`t even be in it I can assure you [Smile]

)

German artists for example, Monika Kruse, who didn`t even make a showing in DJ Mags top 100, is placed, and we think this ranking system reflects not only global popularity but also country popularity.

For example, across all genres, our German top 10 would read

1) paul van dyk
2) sven vaethe
3) Miss Kittin
4) dj hell
6) oliver klein
7) chris liebing
8) monika kruse
9) talla
10) taucher

I think this is a pretty accurate status of the top DJs in Germany at the moment...

In the top 50, 75% of the artists are non-trance, which compared to magazine coverage which tends to be 80% pro trance, is a much better reflection on the state of dance music globally.

Peace

Dante

Geschrieben von: moody (Usernummer # 9500) an :

this ranking is absolute nonsense. at least you have to skip talla and taucher. and paul van dyk is never ever the number one. did you ever heard sth about ricardo villalobos oder the wighnomy brothers?

please don't mess up commercial success with dj-skills.

i cannot agree to your list at all, except miss kittin (although she used to be better 5,6 years ago. whoever has a copy of the yello and the blue gigolo tapes knows what i mean).

Geschrieben von: Denki Groove (Usernummer # 510) an :

uff, die Schriftfarben sind ja grauenvoll. Ansonsten und meiner Meinung nach völlig nutzlos die Seite. Würde vll gut in den "Langewiele-Thread" passen... [hehe]

Geschrieben von: Lame (Usernummer # 692) an :

i don't get the ranking. why is tiesto with the smallest ranking on top of the list? which summons my next question: you claim that this site should be able to help bookers/critics/club attendees to identify up-and-coming and new artists. but then 80% of your list consists of artists long established - so where's the acclaimed new faces routine applying? and do you think that you will ever have one while using the webhits of the artist page? that sure is a nice (yet kinda useless) data collector but not the advertised "eierlegende wollmichsau" for trendspotting.

Geschrieben von: CalaLonga (Usernummer # 5906) an :

Zitat:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von: moody:
this ranking is absolute nonsense. at least you have to skip talla and taucher. and paul van dyk is never ever the number one. did you ever heard sth about ricardo villalobos oder the wighnomy brothers?

please don't mess up commercial success with dj-skills.

i cannot agree to your list at all, except miss kittin (although she used to be better 5,6 years ago. whoever has a copy of the yello and the blue gigolo tapes knows what i mean).

Wohl noch nicht kapiert wie das Ranking zustande kommt:

"The DJ Top 100 Rankings
The traffic and ranking information for each website is sourced from the Alexa traffic data, compiled by Alexa.com, a division of Amazon.

Our programming queries this information for each domain on a regular basis and stores it in our database.
We then retrieve this information and display it in order of ranking, genre or alphabetically, and also extract a view showing those site that have made significant jumps in traffic and popularity.

We believe that using this traffic information, which is sourced from the usage habits of nearly 20 million web users reflects more accurately the genuine, global popularity of each DJ than any of the offline customer surveys, which often only mirror the interests of their targetted, regional customer base.

If you believe that you know of a DJ site that is not included within our database, and you think it should be, please use our
Online Submission Form and submit the URL.

You can investigate the rankings and traffic data for the site you propose at the Alexa Site Stats Page."

P.S. Ricardo hat keine eigene Website soweit ich weiss

Geschrieben von: RAD23 (Usernummer # 9168) an :

Zitat:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von: Lame:
i don't get the ranking. why is tiesto with the smallest ranking on top of the list? which summons my next question: you claim that this site should be able to help bookers/critics/club attendees to identify up-and-coming and new artists. but then 80% of your list consists of artists long established - so where's the acclaimed new faces routine applying? and do you think that you will ever have one while using the webhits of the artist page? that sure is a nice (yet kinda useless) data collector but not the advertised "eierlegende wollmichsau" for trendspotting.

The smallest ranking means a higher web ranking, the same as number 1 is higher than number 3....

The site is 4 days old. Of course its going to be dominated by the current top djs, but to use your words, only 80% of the list is established, which means logically 20% isn`t....therefore these must be the newcomers??????

So what you are saying is that success and popularity doesn`t translate to the web fundamentally, whilst using the web to make an argument that would never be heard under normal circumstances...interesting logic....

peace

Geschrieben von: RAD23 (Usernummer # 9168) an :

Zitat:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von: moody:
this ranking is absolute nonsense. at least you have to skip talla and taucher. and paul van dyk is never ever the number one. did you ever heard sth about ricardo villalobos oder the wighnomy brothers?

\ricardo villalobos` website is down....no I haven`t heard of the wighnomy brothers, please email me their url and i`ll add them to the list. info@thetop100djs.com

why should I skip Taucher and Talla? If there is a good enough reason other than you don`t like them personally then I`m sorry,then please tell us, otherwise, can`t do....

this is the top 100 djs based on commercial success, so no we are not confused between commercial success and dj-skills, were it up to us the top 100 would comprise of techno DJS....

peace

Geschrieben von: moody (Usernummer # 9500) an :

i give you a reason that counts: they are worse.

what's the sense about ranking dj's by their website hits? just because many know these guys it's not a proof at all, they are good at disk flipping.
may you search on slsk for sets by villalobos or wighnomy brothers and compare the skills with taucher and the other guys in the top 10.
okay - i don't know which style you prefer over there or which exspectations you have concerning a 'good' dj set, but i tell you not anyone here would call talla, taucher, blank & jones, gigi d'agostino a.s.o great djs or even better then the ones i told you.
btw. concerning skills, richie hawtin deserves much better than 45...

Geschrieben von: James_Holden (Usernummer # 1937) an :

@moody:
methinks, thou doth protest too much...

Geschrieben von: RAD23 (Usernummer # 9168) an :

Zitat:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von: moody:
i give you a reason that counts: they are worse.

what's the sense about ranking dj's by their website hits? just because many know these guys it's not a proof at all, they are good at disk flipping.
may you search on slsk for sets by villalobos or wighnomy brothers and compare the skills with taucher and the other guys in the top 10.
okay - i don't know which style you prefer over there or which exspectations you have concerning a 'good' dj set, but i tell you not anyone here would call talla, taucher, blank & jones, gigi d'agostino a.s.o great djs or even better then the ones i told you.
btw. concerning skills, richie hawtin deserves much better than 45...

You totally miss the point. I have heard Richie Hawtin play, on numerous occasions. I have also heard virtually every techno DJ play at our club The Outer Limits.

Irrespective of whether you think these DJs are good (and let me tell you, a LOT of techno DJs are very overrated, both as DJs and producers), the reality is the only way to judge a music`s success is statistically. It is a completely unbiased way to judge music.

I listened to Richard Villalobos, I don`t like his style, I find it boring and predictable. That is my opinion. You obviously do like him, that is your opinion, the test comes if other people like him, which visits to a website reflect.

You go on about Soulseek, who was the most downloaded DJ in the world last year? The answer will surprise you, but Paul Edge. Live in Phoenix has done over 1.9 million downloads. Have you ever read an article on him in any magazine? No!! Should this success be acknowledged, YES. And the same goes for a number of other DJs, who do not do the right drugs, don`t sleep with the right people, but just want to play their music. These people do not get featured in the mainstream media, as such, unless you happen to visit a message board you won`t know about them.

The media lie to you, the base their hype not on quality but on how much money they get paid. In consequence, dance music is represented by over hyped, talentless djs who are nothing more than glorified juke boxes. What then happens, people stop going to parties because the entertainment is not based on substance, but on how much money someone else has spent to get their faces in a magazine.

The only thing that matters online is quality, how good you are. If a DJ is crap, people won`t DL his mixes, won`t visit his site etc. If a DJ is good then the opposite happens.

The top 100 DJs is partly about commercial success, but also about DJs who have established a very strong online following but will not get featured in the magazines. By refusing to acknowledge this following, you are not only insulting the intelligence of the people who go to DJs sites, but also harmin the global music scene beyond all belief by perpetuating the hype, which most people can see through.

In our top 50, 32 are non-trance DJs, which to me shows that alternative music to trance is very popular. In the top 100, 70 DJs are non-trance, yet read any magazine (with possibly the exception of Raveline) and trance artists take 80% of the coverage. How can any music expect to develop when it isn`t being covered?
Trance may be at the moment "commercially" the biggest scene, but if you believe in quality underground dance music, and sites like ours actually expose kids to these other artists, how long do you think the trance domination will last.

I believe that techno is the best music followed by breaks, i believe that the only thing holding these two genres back is lack of exposure. We intend to address that balance..

Peace

Geschrieben von: Gianni (Usernummer # 66) an :

> dance music is represented by over
> hyped, talentless djs who are nothing
> more than glorified juke boxes

and this is exactly, what your obsolete site's
all about...

you are just 10.000 miles away from germany -
but 50.000 miles away from the european scene...

i had to learn that by experiencing
detroit, chicago, toledo for some time:
there are lot details that can be compared,
so a lot people think the whole thing could
be compared - but at last, there are huge
cultural (in matters of music/dance-culture)
differences, that make any comparison obsolete.

its just like explaining "BLUE" to a blind
man - in both directions... by realizing,
that you talk the same language as the blind
man does, you think, you can talk about the
same topics - but you cant, as the personal
level of experiencing things AND the physical
background is too different.

and this is, what makes ANY global list or
chart obsolete - by trying to fit to the
whole world, it sucks from fitting to
nowhere at last.

> How can any music expect to develop when
> it isn`t being covered?

EVERY major revolution in music-culture
and -history came from the underground
and developed without medial support at
the beginning...

NOT A SINGLE major revolution that was
created by media ever took place in reality
for a significant period (just remember the
last hypes created by media ... 2step etc)

Geschrieben von: moody (Usernummer # 9500) an :

for your notice - i don't give a damn on media opinion...

i'll download the recommended set as soon as possible, to see what you mean.
and perhaps another thing to think about: many people knowing a dj and downloading stuff from him proofs not (objectively) good skills - at least because likes and dislikes of certain styles is very different from region to region as gianni already said.

[grammar edited]

[ 08.03.2005, 22:48: Beitrag editiert von: moody ]

Geschrieben von: Claudi (Usernummer # 7391) an :

wer bitte ist tiesto???

was hat der auf eins zu suchen und wieso ist mills auf 56 wieso sind überhaupt alle urgesteine
und großen erst ab platz 20 zu sehen???

Aber wieso sind selbst bei den live acts kraftwerk nicht vertreten???

bah die seite bringt mir nix.